2001 Netletter #565 Feb 28th, 2001

#565 Feb 28th, 2001
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( For retirees of the new Air Canada family)

Number 565 Feb 28th, 2001,  We first Published in October 1995


Chief Pilot - Vesta Stevenson   -      Co-pilot  - Terry Baker

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. Take note!
Half the editorial staff of the NetLetter will be away until next week, but keep those
emails coming and we will catch up with them.

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. Nice to know!

To our new readers of the NetLetter.
If you have been wondering why suddenly you are receiving unsolicited<G>
copies of the NetLetter from Terry and I, the reason is that when you signed
up to the CON LIST (at acfamily.net) a couple of weeks or months ago your
application did not come down the tubes to us (the NetLetter) for membership
at that time due a communications bleep.  (which has now been adjusted)
If you do not find our NetLetter informative and interesting to you then just
drop us a E-mail at
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and we will delete your name from our mailing list, but do give us a fair read.

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. Need to know.
Regarding the Fed Ex discount -
The following is from Industry Travel -
The information regarding the agreement between AC and FX can be found
under CIC*81/FX.
The agreement we have is a 75% percent discount.
Yes, the Industry Travel person at FX has been asked and replied that
this agreement is in effect and includes all Air Canada retirees.

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. We welcome -
This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it       Dave    Mahoney  Bailieboro, ON
This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it     Mac     Jones   Suhdaimun-gu    SEOUL
This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it       Murray  Matheson Guelph, ON
This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it      Douglas McKinlay        Edmonton, AB
This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it   Mike    Smalley North Vancouver, BC
This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it   Howard  Schwindt        Montreal , QC
This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it   Ron     Dennis  Mississauga, ON
This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it     Russell Brown   Delta   BC
This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it        Roger   Paquette Surrey, BC
This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it      David   Shurtleff Beaconsfield, QC
This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it       Sonja   Taylor  Saint John, NB
This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it       James   Etzl    Dunchurch, ON
This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it       James   Gordon  Manilla, ON
This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it      John    Vellinga        Torrance, ON
This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it     E.Murray Wadden Glace Bay,NS
This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it     William Nicholson       Richmond, BC
This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it         Tania   Grist   Cambridge, ON
Bill Mattocks retired Air Canada Passenger Service Supervisor lives in
Winnipeg, MB email This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it
Robert Shinnie retired captain B737 CAIL living in Stonewall, MB
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Beau Warrian retired Air Canada pilot lives in Port Moody, BC
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. Reminder -
The Parent/Partner tickets are only allowed to travel on Regional
Carriers, Tier III and participating Star Alliance carriers.
For travel on both the Tier III and Star Alliance carriers the travel
partners must be accompanied.

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. From Howard Brackman
Subject: Denis Brackman
As you can see, I am currently an employee of Air Canada.
It's with great regret that I write this e-mail.
My father (AC retiree), Denis  Brackman, passed away December 19, 2000
after a very brief but brave battle with pancreatic cancer.
He is survived by his wife, Frances and his son, Howard (me).  He was 63.
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. News from the CAIRE Chapters.

C.A.I.R.E.  CHAPTER II  (YVR ISLAND/GULF ISLANDS)  FINAL  MEETING.
DATE:            Thursday, March 29, 2001
VENUE:          Cottonwood Golf & Country Club
1975  Haslam  Road (adjacent to the Nanaimo Airport, Cassidy)
TIME:              Social 1130 hours,  Lunch  12 Nooon,  Meeting to follow lunch.
COST:            $12.00 per person for lunch
All retirees, their spouses, and/or friends are welcome.
As this is our final meeting, for bookkeeping purposes re the catering,
we require a firm commitment from those wishing to attend.
If not contacted by a phone committee person in your area, we would ask
CAIRE  members to contact Phone Committee Chairperson,
Mrs. Linda Hodson in Nanoose Bay at (250) 468 - 5234
by noon, Monday, March 26/01 if you wish to attend.
NOTE: The change of venue is Cottonwood.
For Pionair members wishing to attend, we would ask that you mail a cheque
for the lunch cost to CAIRE Chapter II Treasurer,
Mr. John Hodson.
Please ensure John is in receipt of your cheque at least ten days prior to the meeting.
Make cheques payable to :  CAIRE, CHAPTER II and mail to:
Mr. Mr. John Hodson
Trea Treasurer, CAIRE, Chapter II
3255 3255 Huntington Place
Nano Nanoose Bay, B. C.
V9P 9H6
John can also be contacted at (250) 468 - 5234 or E-Mail at <mailto: This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it >jhodson@nisa<mailto: This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it >.net.

Note: Again - the venue for this final meeting is Cottonwood Golf & Country Club.
1975  Haslam  Road (adjacent to the Nanaimo Airport, Cassidy)

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. News from the Air Canada Pionair Districts.
Vancouver Island and the Gulf Islands Winter newsletter
Well, if ever we were wondering if we have chosen the best part of Canada
in which to live, this winter alone should convince us.
New Pionairs.
Air Canada has given the go ahead to Pionairs to offer membership to all
retirees of Canadian Airlines International. Not only will we see quite a number
of recently retired Air Canada employees joining the Pionairs; we are also
receiving a very strong showing of Canadian Airlines International retirees (CAIRE)
registering to join us.
As of Feb 23rd we have received 1047 requests to join the Pionairs.
The Vancouver Island District has 57 to date.
The Vancouver and Okanagan Districts have 505 and 54 respectively.
Applications have also been received from across Canada and the United States.
Other applications of considerable interest are from Argentina, Japan,
New Zealand, Saudia Arabia, Chili, Oman, Europe, Mainland China, & Hong Kong.
The workload created, for our National Executive, and the CAIRE Executive, by
this opportunity has been extensive.
We are indeed fortunate to have such a dedicated and hard working executives.
Presently Canadian Airlines International has approximately 5000 retirees,
2700 of whom are represented by CAIRE
UPCOMING EVENTS _
April 3rd -
Tuesday, a return to an old time favorite, the Princess Mary Restaurant.
Time:  11.30 AM for a 12.30 PM buffet luncheon.
Speaker:  Our guest speaker will be Bill Rowe, our Pionair Pension Representative.
Saville Hambleton our National President will also address the luncheon.
Cost: $18.00 per person
Deadline: for cheques is March 20th. to
John Jeffrey
1-10471 Resthaven Drive
SIDNEY, BC V8L 3H6     Ph: 250-656-9799  email  This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it
Your usual support of the food hamper program would be appreciated.

Pionair Picnic
Will be held at Mt. Douglas Park on Tuesday August 14th.
There will be a $2.00 entrance fee, games of skill and many prizes.
Gather at the park around 11 AM, bring your lunch and something
cool to drink.
Friends and family are welcome!

At present time a fall up-Island luncheon is not in the plans. We are presently
undergoing major changes in the numbers and location of Vancouver
Island Pionairs. The possibility of an up-Island luncheon will be reviewed,
as the magnitude of the changes is better understood.

The Courtenay/Comox group meets regularly and would I know welcome new
participants. Should any one require further information regarding the
Courtenay/Comox luncheons please call Murray Phipps who heads up the Group.
Luncheons take place at a variety of locations on the last Thursday of the month.
Murray s number is (250) 334-0807 (Courtenay for specific locations and information.

PAST EVENTS
On December 5th, 62 Pionairs (two short of a sell out) gathered at the
Dunsmuir Lodge for a well-received luncheon. An excellent meal, two classical
musicians performing, many prizes and the enthusiastic group of Pionairs
made for a most enjoyable afternoon.
AIRCREW ASSOCIATION
The Aircrew Association of Victoria is welcoming new Members who have
served as Military Aircrew in war or peace.
Please call Roger Napier at 250-598-4446 Victoria.

John Jeffrey Director.

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. From chief pilot Vesta on the flight deck -
Pilot claims he broke sound barrier
A former Luftwaffe pilot says he broke the sound
barrier first - not Chuck Yeager. But the German's claim cannot be
verified, at least not yet. Flying alone over Austria on April 9,
1945, at the end of World War II, Hans Guido Mutke pushed his
Messerschmitt 262 to full throttle in hopes of reaching a friend who
had bailed out under U.S. attack. Mutke says he later realized the
shaking and loss of control he felt before the plane reached 690 mph
meant he had broken the sound barrier. "I knew nothing about a sound
barrier," he said Thursday from Munich. "I just went full speed to
help a comrade." Now age 79 and a retired doctor, Mutke has asked an
aeronautics professor to help substantiate his claim using computer
simulation. By all accepted accounts, on Oct. 14, 1947, Yeager was
the first human to break the sound barrier when he flew his
rocket-powered X-1 over Rogers Dry Lake in southern California.
(By all accounts - except the Brits who claim a Spitfire pilot achieved this
in the mid '40's - in fact there was a movie about it. - eds)

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. May Day.
From Diether Wesener -
Subject: Paris trip
We are planning a one-week stay in Paris at the end of April or let's
say the week after Easter.
Anyone knows of a studio appartment or hotel or B & B for less than $100/day?
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. Smilies.
Chicago ATC conversations -

"Sure you can have eight miles behind the heavy...
there'll be a United tri-jet between you and him."

"Approach, SWA436, you want us to turn right to 090?"
"No, I want your brother  to turn. Just do it and don't argue."

"Approach UAL525 what's this aircraft doing at my altitude?"
"UAL525, what  makes you think it's YOUR altitude, Captain?"

"DAL1176, say speed." "DAL1176, we slowed it down to two-twenty."
"DAL1176 pick it back up to two-fifty...this ain't Atlanta, and them ain't
grits on the ground."

"Request Runway 27 Right."
"Unable."
"Approach, do you know the wind at six thousand is 270 at fifty?"
"Yeah, I do, and if we could jack the airport up to fifty-five hundred you
could have that runway. Expect 14 Right."

"Air Force Four-Five, it appears your engine has...oh, disregard...I see you've
already ejected."

"The first officer says he's got you in sight."
"Roger, the first officer's cleared for a  visual approach runway 27 Right
...you continue on that 180 heading and descend to three thousand."

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