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2001 Netletter #570 Mar 17th, 2001

#570 Mar 17th, 2001
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( For retirees of the new Air Canada family)

Number 570 Mar 17th, 2001,  We first Published in October 1995


Chief Pilot - Vesta Stevenson   -      Co-pilot  - Terry Baker


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. Need to know.
If you're planning a trip to the South Pacific, be sure to purchase
alternate tickets before leaving home.
Our offices in Sydney and Auckland are operated by General Sales
Agents, who are unable to process employee ticketing requests.

Active and retired employees, eligible family members including infants
and children, and travel partners travelling on a standby basis should always
have valid travel documents and visas required to get to their final destination
and for every potential intermediate station stop en route to final destination.
Employees/retirees are responsible for payment of immigration penalties
incurred by themselves or eligible travellers, due to lack of correct documentation
or visas.
For example entry to the UK without a visa, when required, results in a fine of
GBP2,000.00
For details of visa requirements, consult the country's consulate.

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. We welcome -

Nellie Ahmed                 This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it    Delta BC
Milton  Bertrand             This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it   Oakville ON
Robert Campbell            This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it   Summerland BC flt ops
Lorene  Flowers             This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it   Santa Monica  California
Robert Fulcher               This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it   lives in Delta BC
Bob joined CPA with Ken Patry who you recently featured
on a bio - when they got laid off from CPA some of the guys
joined other airlines, while Bob and several of his
colleagues rejoined CPA.
James Griffith                  This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it   Niagara-On-The-Lake  ON flt ops
Arthur Hale                     This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it   Thornhill ON flt ops
Ellis Heaton                   This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it   Orleans ON
Maintenance Planning Coordinator
Josh Jonker                  This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it   Brockville ON
Jenine  Kalil                    This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it   Surrey BC
Ken Kaplan                    This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it   Delta BC
Carl and Willy  Kruyff       This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it   Mississauga ON
Technical services
John Lougheed               This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it   leamington  ON
Donovan  Lowry               This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it   Alliston  ON Flt Ops
Ray Nelson                     This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it   Richmond BC
Eric Nielsen                    This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it   Halifax NS flt ops
Ernie Rradies                 This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it   Surrey BC
Wayne Sands                 This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it   Calgary AB
Kirsten  Schiefler             This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it Garden City NY In Flight
Jim Strang                      This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it   Ottawa ON
Milan Voticky                  This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it   Etobicoke ON

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. From Art Adamson -
Subject: Birthday Lindy Rood-Retired V/Pres. Flt/Ops
Some of you that know Lindy might wish to send him a greeting on
the occasion of his "Big 90" which is on Mar. 17.
His e'mail is <mailto: This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it >rood@juno.<mailto: This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it >com.
Some of us from VR went over Mar.13 and had lunch with him.
His memory for things that happened right from his first days back
in 1937, when he was one of the first 20 pilots hired is incredible.
He is on a cane but otherwise in good health.
Art Adamson

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. News from the Pionair districts.
From the monthly London England newsletter -
Dates for the diary -
Apr 13th  -  ACRA Easter Childrens Party.
Apr 23rd -   ACRA Theatre trip "Beautiful Game" an Andrew Lloyd Webber

production.
May 6th  -   Commercial vehicle rally at Brighton.
Sept 10th -  ACRA Theatre trip "My Fair Lady"
Oct 17 - 24th - Annual UK Pionairs trip - Smoky Special in Tennessee.

Commercial Vehicles Run this year is 6th May.  Departs Heathrow Park Hotel
09:00 return 17:00. Unfortunately the vintage BEA bus has not been restored
in time, so the group will settle for a 1954 Guy 26 seater Special Passenger
Country Bus designed for the rural routes of London's countryside.
Cost of GBP15.00

Childrens Easter party on Apr 13th is at Burnham Park Hall.
Cost is GBP3.50 for Pionair families and GBP5.00 for friends.

Smoky Special in Tennessee, this years annual jaunt has over 60 Pionairs
signed up. From Oct 17th - 24th this motley group will be let loose in the
Smokey Mountains in a procession of mini vans. Accommodations will
be at Pigeon Forge - Dolly Parton's "Dollywood" is one attraction,
(don't even think about it!) and the Dixie Stampede, which includes a
meal and a show, is another.
Cost is GBP90.00 for one night at Atlanta, vans, attractions mentioned.

News from the BurlOak Chapter of Air Canada Pionairs -
You are invited - along with your partner - to the monthly Burloak coffee
and lunch which is held:
third Wednesday  each month - starts 10 AM
Mother Tucker's Restaurant
SOUTH SERVICE ROAD - BURLINGTON
just east of Guelph Line -  south side of QEW
Price $2.00 for a bottomless cup of very good coffee -
caffeine free is also available.
If you are in attendance your name is entered in a draw for a complimentary
Buffet meal.
The buffet tables are sumptuous, and the salads are wonderful too.
Its a rustic family style restaurant with pleasant dining areas and rooms for
groups. Service is tops.
Our list of attendees is growing each month;  its a great place to renew
friendships and meet some old-timers you only knew from a distance.
Warning:: sometimes it gets a bit on the goofy side.
Laughter and smiles all around !
Of particular interest is to invite and meet with widows or widowers of
those of our deceased colleagues.  This has been shown to be a great
opportunity for the living partners to continue belonging to
"that-old-gang", and keep up to date with the latest developments on the
pass-travel scene, pension information, insurance matters, Airport
development, travel deals, etc., etc.
Hard to get-at-information seems to be available.
If you know anyone who are not in the Pionairs, as yet, please advise me.
Their names will be added to the invitation list.
Feel free to bring them and their partners along with you and your's.
Kind regards,
Byron Dale - Pionair - Retired 1988  from General Claims YYZ.
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. Bill Cameron sends this information -
Subject: Bristol Freighter
Greetings;
I read with interest the note in the NetLetter from Tom Grant about his
experience flying the Bristol 172 Freighter.
Some years ago, when I was a dispatcher for CPAir in YUL, the story
went around about a TCA Bristol 172 enroute from YUL to LGA.
After clearing from ATC enroute frequency, the TCA flight called Tower
at LGA for final landing clearance.  The LGA controller acknowledged,
gave altimeter setting, wind direction, runway in use, and ended with
the words "Trans Canada 123, cleared to land - gear down and locked."
Whereupon the F/O on TCA 123 said "Roger LGA, gear down and welded."
Apocryphal?
Bill Cameron   Okotoks, AB

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. From the YYZNEWS issued by Brian Dunn -

Air Canada is reported to be offering the following aircraft for sale or lease;
the three 747-200 combis parked at Marana AZ,  all 23 DC-9-32s including
nine in storage, eight 767-200s, seven 737-200s and and 30 Fokker F-28s.
The company intends to get rid of 32 aircraft by this fall in the face of 16 new
ones being delivered later this year.  A total of 71 aircraft are up for sale.
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. With tongue in cheek, Gord Dalziel enquired about the cost of aircraft, as
the cost is a tad too high for him,  Gord thought some of our readers may be
in the market!
Source of the information is Brian Dunn who issues YYZNEWS -

"From time to time I have had friends come up to me and ask how much
does a new Boeing 747, or Boeing 737 cost these days.  Well I have the
answer as per the e-mail I received below;
Just in case you're in the market for a new Boeing, here's the bad news.
Prices are up 5.72% over 2000's prices. If that doesn't put you off, here
are some of the current 2001 prices, all information courtesy of Boeing.

717-200 35 to 39.5 million
737-800 57 to 64.5 million
757-300 81 to 89.5 million
767-400 125.5 to 138.5 million
747-400 183 to 211 million
777-200LR 186 to 213.5 million
777-300ER 201.5 to 231.5 million
All prices are in U.S. dollars. The spread depends on the configuration and
the types of options ordered.
A source in Singapore says these prices are usually discounted by some
hard-nosed bargaining. I suspect mentioning the name Airbus helps get a
good deal.
"J. Gordon Dalziel" < This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it >

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. Terry's travel tips.
World Airlines Clubs Association (WACA) trips -
May 01-07th  Serendipity Tour 2001 hosted by Sri Lanka Interline Club
Costs & deadline not yet advised, contact your local interline
club for more details.
May 6-12th    Cedar Land Tour hosted by Interline Club of Lebanon
Cost us$650 ppdbl  includes 6 nights accommodations,
6 breakfasts, 4 lunches & 3 dinners,
4 full day tours, entrance & guide fees,
welcome drink.
Middle East Airlines offer ID00N2Y tickets to all interliners
joining the event.
Contact Miss Anbara Salam email This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it
Deadline is April 20th.

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. Smilie.
Here is a different Smilie sent in by From: Art Thrun

Close your eyes.....and go back in time....

Before the Internet or the MAC,
Before semi-automatics and crack,
Before SEGA or Super Nintendo...
Way back........
I'm talking about hide-and-seek at dusk.
The Good Humor man,
Red light, green light.
The corner store.
Hopscotch, butterscotch, doubledutch, jacks,  kickball, dodgeball.
Mother May I?
Red Rover and Roly Poly.
Hula Hoops.
Running through the sprinkler;
The smell of the sun and licking salty  lips....
Wax lips and mustaches!
An ice cream cone on a warm summer night;
Chocolate or vanilla or strawberry or maybe  butter pecan.
A Cherry Coke from the soda fountain at the  corner drug store.
Wait......
Watching Saturday morning cartoons... short  commercials...
Fat Albert, Road Runner, He-Man,
The Three Stooges, and Bugs,
Or staying up for Gunsmoke.
Or back further, listening to Superman on the radio (or maybe not  quite)
When around the corner seemed far away,
And going downtown seemed like going  Somewhere.
A million mosquito bites.  Sticky fingers.
Cops and Robbers, Cowboys and Indians, Zorro. Climbing trees.
Building igloos out of snow banks.
Walking to school, no matter what the weather  was.
Running till you were out of breath. Laughing so hard that your stomach hurt.
Jumping on the bed.  Pillow fights.
Spinning around, getting dizzy and falling  down was cause for giggles.
Being tired from playing.... Remember that?
The worst embarrassment was being picked last  for a team.
War was a card game.
Water balloons were the ultimate weapon.
Baseball cards in the spokes transformed any bike into a motorcycle.
I'm not finished yet -- eating Kool-aid  powder.
Remember when...
There were only two types of sneakers for  girls and boys:
Keds & PF Flyers, and the only time you wore
them at  school was for "Gym."
It wasn't odd to have two or three "best"  friends.
When nobody owned a purebred dog.
When a quarter was a decent allowance, and  another quarter was a
miracle.
When milk went up a penny and everyone talked about it for weeks.
When you'd reach into a muddy gutter for a penny.
When you got your windshield cleaned, oil  checked, and gas pumped,
without asking, for free, every time.
And you didn't pay for air in the tires.
And you got trading stamps to boot!
When laundry detergent had free glasses,  dishes or towels hidden
inside  the  box.
When nearly everyone's Mom was at home when  the kids got there.
When it took five minutes for the TV to warm  up, if you had one.
When your Mom wore nylons that came in two  pieces.
When it was magic when dad would "remove" his  thumb.
When it was considered a great privilege to be  taken out to dinner at
a real restaurant with your parents.
When girls neither dated nor kissed until late  high school, if then.
When all of your male teachers wore neckties  and female teachers
had  their  hair done.
When any parent could discipline any kid, or  feed him, or use him to
carry  groceries, and nobody - not even the kid -  thought a thing of it.
When they threatened to keep kids back a grade  if they failed ..and did!
When being sent to the principal's office was  nothing compared to what
awaited a misbehaving student when arriving home.
Basically, we were in fear for our lives but  it wasn't because of
drive-by  shootings, drugs, gangs, etc.
Our parents and grandparents were a much  bigger threat!  And some of
us  are  still afraid of them!
Didn't that feel good.. just to go back and  say, Yeah, I remember that!
Remember when............
Decisions were made by going  "eeny-meeny-miney-mo."
Mistakes were corrected by simply exclaiming,  "do over!"
"Race issue" meant arguing about who ran the  fastest.
Money issues were handled by whoever was the  banker in "Monopoly."
The worst thing you could catch from the  opposite sex was cooties.
It was unbelievable that dodgeball wasn't an  Olympic event.
Having a weapon in school, meant being caught  with a slingshot.
Nobody was prettier than Mom.
Scrapes and bruises were kissed and made  better.
Taking drugs meant orange-flavored chewable  aspirin.
Ice cream was considered a basic food group.
Getting a foot of snow was a dream come true.
New abilities were discovered because of a  "double-dog dare."
Older siblings were the worst tormentors, but also the fiercest
protectors.
If you can remember most or all of these, then  you have LIVED!!
Pass  this  on to anyone who may need a break from their
"grown up" life -- TAG! - YOU'RE IT
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