2000 Netletter #441 January 2000

#441 January 2000

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Number 441   Date Jan 17th, 2000  BYN 1st Published in October 1995

Chief Pilot  - Vesta Stevenson   This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it

Co-pilot     - Terry Baker         This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it

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. Need to know.
There appears to be some confusion over the carry-on baggage limitations,
the original sizes noted on the ticket folders was -
Under seat storage: No more than two pieces which, when combined, do
not exceed 23 cm x 56 cm x 57 cm (9" x 22" x 22.5").
The current ticket folder now has sizes -
Hospitality service : One standard piece and one business article.
A standard piece cannot exceed 23 cm x 40 cm x 55 cm in size or
weigh more than 10 kgs.
A business article e.g. briefcase or laptop computer cannot exceed
more than 10 kgs.

Tom Grant makes these observations -
Just in case your readers have been spending sometime poring over
catalogues or shopping the malls to try to get that carry-on luggage that
fits the dimensions given in Dec/Jan Horizons, I have some bad new and some
good news. The bad news: you have been wasting your time. You won't find a
piece that comes reasonably close - not even the Air Canada brand at Sears.
The good news: the dimensions given were wrong. And now you can go back out
and shop. Check out http://www.aircanada.ca/services/carry-on.html for the
"real" dimensions.
I wonder what would happen if a passenger bought a new primary carry-on
piece of luggage conforming to the max dimensions of Air Canada's new
policy and then travelled on the other Star Alliance partners.

As it turns out there are no two dimension policies that are the same when
specifying exact perimeter dimensions. However when setting a total max.
perimeter, Thai, Air NZ and ANA all have the same at 115 inches. Air Canada
has one of the best (largest) dimensions along with Lufthansa and SAS, with
Ansett being the least generous. But Air Canada's would not be accepted on
Lufthansa, 1" too deep; on UAL, 1.5" too wide and overall 1" over the
total; on Ansett 2.5" too wide and 2.5" too long. And it goes on . . . And
as for Varig, I couldn't find the information on their website. I'm not
sure what that says for their carry-on policy.

When it comes to weight, Air Canada is generous with 10 kg, while Air NZ
has a miserly 5 kg. But the kicker here is UAL, it allows almost 23 kg -
what do their passengers carry? I guess they have on-staff physio therapist
for the FA's.

The numbers and type of the secondary piece, where allowed, also varies
with airline and with class. Again Air Canada is one of the more generous,
altho' your garment bag better be traded in for a briefcase.

The bottom line is that your new primary carry-on better be fLeXiBle! At
some connection it will have to lose up to 2.5" in length or 2.5" in width
or 1" in depth. Just like a being a passenger I guess. Tuck those legs in
on one flight, sit ram-rod straight on another, or if, like our carry-on,
you are fortunate enough to travel Air Canada Executive, you can relax and
let it all hang out ;-)
Tom Grant is the webmaster of the Air Canada Retired Employees Web Site

To make light of all this, Tom ends with this -
As migration approached, two elderly vultures doubted they could make
the trip south, so they decided to go by airplane.
When they checked their baggage, the attendant noticed that they were
carrying two dead raccoons. "Do you wish to check the raccoons through
as luggage?" she asked.
"No, thanks," replied the vultures. "They're carrion."

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. Help!
Norm & Jean Cook is searching -
I am trying to locate a retired pilot, Brian Dixon.He and I took our
flight  training under Helen Harrison in 1950/51.Could you give me any
assistance with this matter.
Thanking you in advance, Norm Cook.
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. Jim Smith found this -
Time travelling machine
PASSENGERS and crew aboard Cathay Pacific flight CX888 from Hong
Kong to Vancouver were some of the first people in the world to
travel into the future millennium, before returning a few minutes
later to the previous century.

The plane departed from Hong Kong International Airport at 1.42pm
Hong Kong time on Friday December 31, with approximately 120
passengers on board. The aircraft flew into January 1, 2000 at a
point just west of the international dateline (longitude 180
degrees) over the mid-Pacific Ocean.

A few minutes later, it flew over the international dateline back
into 1999. The aircraft was scheduled to arrive in Vancouver at
20:55 local time, giving passengers plenty of time to prepare
for a second and more lasting celebration on terra firma.

Before the flight departed Captain Malcolm Lewendon said: "It's
quite exciting to make a little piece of history like this. But
most of our passengers will probably sleep through it."

The only people who could have beaten the Cathay Pacific flight
into the new millennium were those on any other aircraft which were
stationed close to the international dateline at midnight. It is
also possible that people may have been visiting one of the tiny
atolls located east of Fiji around which the international dateline
juts out to the east.
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. Found on the internet.
Some flyers in Europe are taking the plane to the train.
With trains that clock in at over 185 mph, sometimes the railways
can get you there faster -- and cheaper -- than the airways.
Seeing the advantages of rail over notoriously in-the-red short-hop
flights, United Airlines is completing its flights from Chicago to
Le Mans, France, via a connecting train in Paris.

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. From the YYZNEWS issued by Brian Dunn -
Boeing has delivered the first two 717-200 airliners to Bavaria
Inter-national Aircraft Leasing Company.  The two aircraft will be
leased to Olympic Aviation, based in Athens.  They will become the
first operator of the 717 in Europe and will use them primarily out
of a base at Thessaloniki to Amsterdam, Berlin, Brussels, Munich, Paris,
Stuttgart, and Larnaca.

Canadi>n Airlines Corporation announces that following the
acquisition by 853350 Alberta Ltd, a company partially owned by Air
Canada, the Board of Directors of CAC has been reconstitued as follows;
Kevin E. Benson, President & Chief Executive Officer of Canadi>n
Robert A. Milton, President & Chief Executive Officer of Air Canada.
Robert Peterson, Senior VP & CFO of Air Canada.
Paul Farrar, President of 853350 Alberta Ltd.
Calin Rovinescu, Partner of Stikeman, Elliott
Sean Dunphy, Partner of Stikeman, Elliott
Jean-Marc Huot, Partner of Stikeman, Elliott.

Date:  Wed. May 24th through to Mon May 29th
Where?:  Calgary at the Sheraton Cavalier hotel.
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SATURDAY, FEBRUARY 19, 2000       ----  1000 TO 1500 HRS
Royal Canadian Legion Hall at 3263 Derry Rd.E., Malton ON
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(about the comings and  goings on at YYZ airport)
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. Terry's travel tips.
Dargal has these interesting offerings -
Sail the Caribbean with Windstar Cruises aboard the Wind Surf
- 2 Itineraries to choose from.
Cruise for 7 nights or create a 14 night cruise by booking them in
13 & 27 Feb ~ 7 Nights ~ Windstar ~ Wind Surf ~ Caribbean
Southbound Bridgetown/Barbados, Tobago, Bequia,
Fort-de-France/Martinique,     Grande Anse/Martinique, Pigeon Island/St.
Lucia, Mayreau, Bridgetown
6 & 20 Feb ~ 7 Nights ~ Windstar ~ Wind Surf ~ Caribbean
Northbound Bridgetown/Barbados, Nevis, St. Martin, St. Barthelemy,
Iles des Saintes, Pigeon Island/St. Lucia, Bridgetown
Pack your suntan lotion, leave your cares behind and spend 10 glorious
days cruising the Mexican Riviera
2-Feb ~ 10 Nights ~ Holland America ~ ms Statendam ~ Mexican Riviera
San Diego, Cruise Mexican Riviera, Cabo San Lucas, Mazatlan, Acapulco,
Zihuatanejo, Puerto Vallarta, San Diego
Inside $700   Outside $900
The best of the East and West meet in this incredibly diverse and
fascinating itinerary.
16 Mar ~ 19 Nights ~ Princess ~ Sky Princess ~ Australia and Asia
Sydney, Brisbane, Great Barrier Reef, Cairns, Bali, Semerang, Singapore,
Ho Chi Minh City (Formerly Saigon), Bangkok
Inside $824

All rates are US$ per person, based on double occupancy
and subject to availability and eligibility. New Bookings only.
Port Charges/Govt Fees additional. PLEASE QUOTE EM# 011000
For more information on these and other specials - contact us at:
DARGAL Interline 1-800-690-3223
Canada (250) 861-3223 or Fax (250) 861-3283

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. Smilie.
Betty Morgan found these for us -
The controller was working a busy pattern told the 727 on downwind to
make a three-sixty (do a complete circle, usually to provide spacing
between aircraft).
The pilot of the 727 complained, "Do you know it costs us two
thousand dollars to make a three-sixty in this airplane?
Without missing a beat the controller replied,
"Roger, give me four thousand dollars worth!"

PSA was following United, taxiing out for departure. PSA called the
tower and said "Tower, this is United 586. We've got a little problem,
so go ahead and let PSA go first".
The tower promptly cleared PSA for takeoff before United had a chance
to object to the impersonation.

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